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DEI, ‘How to Sell Out,’ and AI’s Future

Van and Rachel discuss the midair collision that killed 67 people (1:00) before reacting to Donald Trump pointing the finger at DEI initiatives (10:05). Plus, DJ Akademiks gets banned from Twitch after inappropriate comments toward a minor (20:51), and Scott Storch’s ex gets accused of racism after saying racist things (32:49). Then writer and podcaster Chad Sanders joins to talk authenticity and his new book, How to Sell Out (38:14), before journalist Nathan Bomey from Axios explains DeepSeek and the future of AI (1:06:02).
Hosts: Van Lathan and Rachel Lindsay 
Guests: Chad Sanders and Nathan Bomey 
Producers: Donnie Beacham Jr. and Ashleigh Smith

Rachel Lindsay is an author, attorney, media personality, and podcaster. She currently cohosts The Ringer’s ‘Higher Learning’ and ‘Morally Corrupt Bravo Show’ podcasts. Rachel is known for making history as the first Black lead in the franchise’s history on the 13th season of ABC’s ‘The Bachelorette.’


Rachel Lindsay

Host of ‘Higher Learning’ and ‘The Midnight Boys.’

Van Lathan

DEI Did It, Plus ‘How to Sell Out’ and the Future of AI

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